Why would someone think they could find truth or Christ on TV? His faith works for him. He gets what he wants. Why should bible be a part of it? He has no regard for it, why should he? What he does works. You are getting good at countering what he says, while he is getting better and better at doing what he is doing.
What if Maybe he knows something that you don't.
He ignores the bible in public broad daylight. Maybe others should try that.
I always thought that most of these guys were cookie cutter and boiler plate ministers. Most of them seem to have the same religious M.O. How can that be? This has been my observation for a long time. They even build their churches almost the same way. If the choirs are wearing black robes a particular year then most churches will wear black robes also. I can go on and on..... Haven't really seen any originality in a long time.....
Good video. Joel Osteeen is another uhm 'teacher fellow' who completely takes verses out of context so that they fit his own meaning and reasoning. He will make up a sermon about living at peace with others and then throw in a Bible verse on peace.
This teaching is false and very dangerous. I am glad that you are standing up against it as well my friend.
Let me ask you. Now I'm not a follower of Creflo but I have to ask: How can you separate the Word of God from God? Is not the word of God, God, better yet, the Son of God? That very word that faith comes by, when heard, came in the flesh, did it not? The Word of God is Christ, and through Him we live by faith. How can you separate the Most High and His Son? They're of the same mind, are they not? The word that brings faith spoke the world into existence, right? Faith come by hearing that word.
Leafyboy70: a) The 'Word of God' as in the written Bible IS NOT the same as God. b) The 'Word' (logos) as used in John 1 refers to God's divine plan through Christ. c) The 'Word' (rhema) in Rom 10:17 refers to the SPECIFIC MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL concerning Jesus Christ.
In the Bible WORDS MEAN THINGS. Neither Creflo Dollar nor anyone else has the right to take them and make them mean what they want them to mean.
John 1:1 tells you that the word was God or Elohim or Powers. You can't get any planner than that. The word has power. Thing about it this way: could anything obey if there are no word to convey a Law, decree, or precept? There has to be words or a means of communication. The word comes from the Most High and because of it we know faith. More over, show me the scripture that says that the word does not equate to God, Elohim, or Power? They work as one Right?
a)I said THE BIBLE is not God. God existed LONG BEFORE there was a Bible. Do you not know that? Why do I need to show you scripture for that? That is just basic reasoning.
b) I just explained to you in the previous comment that "word" in the Bible has DIFFERENT MEANINGS. In John 1:1, 'the Word' is Christ Himself. In Rom 10:17 'the word' is the message of the Gospel. A person and a message about a person are not the same thing.
Sometime brother you must say you are wrong. Leafboy70 got you here. You are splitting hairs. The only way people would know YOU is based on the legal papers that make up NYTN. Those paper would give me a summary of who you are. I cannot separate you from the WORDS that define you. And if I believe in an all powerful, almighty God, then I must believe He had the powerful to watch over HIS word. I think you are not giving God enough credit. Faith in God is believing His word is true. luv u Norce
JESUS CHRIST never took a penny for his teachings or his healings. Jesus was pure of heart and loved people. Creflo loves his money and status more than he loves his followers no matter how you cut it. Anyone who justifies a minister leeching finacially off his followers is ignorant. Creflo is accumulating wealth. Isn't Creflo supposed to be imitating Jesus' example?
Happy New Year, God bless u as well Kevin. I've shared with other about some of things u said. One for instance,is the congregation quick to saying "Amen" and repeating things they don't either agree or understand. best advice is to study to show thyself approved. Peace.
NYTN is on point. He know what he's talking about.
Creflo Dollar + His Twisting Of Scripture Method = False Doctrine
This is why so many people are caught up in the Prosperity Gospel. They're believing the LORD is gonna do great things for them if they give money to Creflo and others, but nothing happens.
Creflo is in the business of "Selling Hope", "Twisting Scripture" and using methods from his medical background to brainwash and control unlearned people to serve him with money.
Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God the religious beliefs of Christians belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same fidelity, faithfulness the character of one who can be relied on. BTW the word Now does not mean (Right now!) it's the word; de, meaning: nevertheless,but, moreover, and, etc. all these vs. God told them something the believed they did'nt try 2create anything w/words
Hebrews11:1 Now faith;(Greek) Pistis: conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it relating to God the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ relating2 Christ a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the
I would also like to add that Hebrews 11:1 is not a definition of faith. Romans 4 talks of Abraham and how his FIRM PERSUASION, which is his faith was accounted to him as righteousness. Heb11 tells us that our FIRM PERSUASION is the substance of things hoped for or FIRM PERSUASION is the evidence of things not seen. Firm persuasion in who? We a firmly persuaded that God is who he says He is not that God will give us the stuff we want. HE is God if we get it or not!
I look @ Creflo and think (WORD CHANGERS) would be a better name for his church! U just can't conjure up/speak words and call it faith. They love to quote Heb 11 and say they did it nobody said anything there. They had a true conviction of what Yahweh told them.
I like II Corinthians, chapter 3 (particularly 3:5-6). It gives further evidence that we are not to rely on the letter (which can always be altered by man for his/her own agenda) and lean on the Spirit (which dwells within you the moment you believe).
For the Lord has ordained that those who preach the gospel shall live of the gospel. Anybody recall whether or not any of the leadership in the NT scriptures were wealthy? I agree w/the brainwashing techniques though. Hear all the time even on religious tv/radio. No Spirit of Truth at all just a lot of wolves feasting on sheep. It's one thing to have wolves among the sheep but wolves leading the flock is another matter.
YoungCalvinist08, I would say the Word is A means.
There are several examples in scripture where people came to faith in God (Jesus Christ) by witnessing God's exploits or hearing one's testimony regarding God's exploits and reality (Rahab and Roman Centurion are two examples, making Creflo Dollar STILL wrong).
Sir, this is going on all over this Country!! My 16 year old son is going to a Prosperity Doctrine Church!! It breaks my heart , but God is faithful. I do not intervene, I know God is doing a work in his heart through us being faithful in trusting the Lord with our Son!!My son can't remember when we had very hard times, and no money, but saved by Grace!! No matter how big or little our wallet is, our God is Faithful!!!I have never saw Pastor Dollar, but there are copies of him everywhere!!
Faith is a gift given to believers, by the Holy Spirit, (1Corinthians 12:9). Whether it be saving faith, or healing faith, it is still Yah. Faith was evident in the lives of Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, and some others in that, their ACTS of works were proof positive, of WHO they were seed of, namely Yeshua. Faith is not anything conjured, strained, nor worked up to a muscle, but is spiritually born IN the believer. Again, Creflo is dead wrong!
...The miracles that Yeshua performed, which were witnessed by some in the New Testament, proved who their seed was, by their act of faith. The Gentile Centurion in (Matthew 8:5-10), Zacchaeus in (Luke 19:1-9).
blackandgoldone, that quite an interesting statement, especially given the fact that millions upon millions of people over centuries have relied, and continue to rely, upon its teachings as a source of guidance for daily living.
If it's practically useless as you seem to say, then I wonder what the explanation would be for such.
I think the words are subject to interpretation. As a Christian, I believe you have to pray in order to get an understanding that's appropriate on an individual basis. Prayer is the communication gateway to the divine; it's is a unique and personal pathway for each individual. That's how I see it at least...
Amen! That's why we need the Holy Spirit to give us the understanding of the scripture so that the redeemed may know and understand the mysteries of God and thus develop faith in God.
Faith comes by the Holy Spirit. The HS is the revealer of truth in addition to be the one who redeems, sanctifies and unifies his church (i.e. the invisible church). He is our paracletos. Therefore, in order to have and practice faith, we need to be decipled by the Holy Spirit.
One more thing, with the exception of the apostles, many of the born-again Christians of the first century church, leading up to the translation of the "authorized" printing of the KJV bible, were illiterate. However, many of them for the sake of their faith in Christ, suffered death because they would not renounce their faith.The point is, they had faith, and did not have direct access to the written word of God.Many 1st cen Christians were not even allowed in the synagogues to here the Torah.
People of God, beware of topical preachers. Topical sermons have their place, but when a pastor always rely on preaching topical messages Sunday after Sunday and Wednesday after Wednesday and so on, that illustrates negligence on their part. It is important for pastors as well as congregants (in their private time) to study the scriptures in an expository manner. When preachers go thru out the bible collecting scriptures to support "their" topics, we come up with people like Creflo and....
I just come to understand this myself just recently (like in the past year or so). I use to go to a church where the pastor does this all the time. In all the eight years I was there, I can not recall one time where he ever taught a truth from the scriptures in an expository manner (i.e. line by line, word for word). He may have, but it is sad that I do not recall him doing so. Expository teaching is important and is needed in the organized church. It helps to facilitate accurate scriptural...
...interpretation, bearing in mind that here is only one interpretation of scripture and that is Gods interpretation. e need the Holy Spirit to help us interpret His scriptures His way (not ours). In order to have sound systematic theology, we need to study Gods scriptures word for word and line by line. Many of todays mega-church prosperity preachers do not like to deal with this because it will put to death the prosperity message...
...because the so called prosperity gospel cannot stand up to sound biblical theology, it just cant. I am not a cheerleader for poverty. I'm sure Creflo would say I am because I do not support the PG heresy. Some of my problems with it includes,it attempts to subvert the authority and sovereignty of the Lord as we can see here in this clip,it also purports the little gods heresy as being biblical. Lastly, it relegates the crucifixion of Christ to...
...being a means to receiving monetary and materialist things from God. I actually heard a preacher on TBN say that when Jesus said "it is finished" on the cross before He gave up the ghost,it meant that our prosperity was accomplished in him. Prosperity was mentioned in the context of money and materialism.Christ did not die so that I can get a bankroll, Bentley or earthly mansion. He laid down his life for me so that I would have a right, in him to the tree of life, i.e. B redeemed.
You are splitting hairs brother. Ps 138:2 Says, I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. As you see God expects His word to be the source, that is why he exalted it so high. You are trying make up a new label to define this man. I am not a creflo follower and I don't subscibe to his ministry, but I think you are not qualified to assess this teaching if you didn't see pslm 138:2 Norce
norcent12, I see you're at it again: 1) To 'split hairs' is "to argue over details that are not important". Understanding the distinction between God Himself and the written Bible is a matter of great significance. 2) Creflo Dollar's own behavior and statements 'define' him. 3) All I did to 'assess' his teaching was listen to him and then compare it to what the Bible says. If that's not enough, then what additional skills/qualifications to I need?
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Therefore, faith comes by hearing the word of God. So what is your problem with him saying that the word of God is the source of faith? Since God is the source of his word, how is it error to teach that we increase our faith by hearing the word of God?
You say God is the source of faith, so give me the practical application then. How do I get or increase my faith?
mysistagirl, my problem with Creflo Dollar saying "the word of God is the source of faith" is this: IT ISN'T TRUE.
The Bible teaches CLEARLY and REPEATEDLY that the SOURCE of man's "faith" is The Lord God Himself. That is a basic doctrine that every Christian should have learned in Sunday School.
I'm not sure how or why you feel comfortable with separating God from His Word, but it's been pointed out enough to you in this dialog. My bible says "In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD". But I digress on that one.
I would still like a response to my question: so give me the practical application then. How do I get or increase my faith, and what role does the WORD have in that?
I'm sorry, mysistagirl, but you'll have to sell this somewhere else.
The Bible teaches that faith originates from God Himself/The Holy Spirit (Rom 12:3, 1 Cor 12:7, Rom 1:5; 15:15; 1 Cor 3:10; 15:10; Gal 2:9; Eph 3:7).
The Bible is FULL of stories where people came to faith in God when there was NO WRITTEN LAW and without EVER hearing from or seeing God. One such person is Rahab (see Joshua 2; Hebrews 11).
You and Creflo Dollar remain DISCREDITED by the Word of God.
In EVERY one of your posts, you point to the WORD for the case on faith. In this latest response, you begin "The Bible teaches...", and that means the WORD is the source. You continue all throughout citing scriptures from the WORD, proving that the WORD is your source for all that you know about accessing and increasing faith.
You don't realize that you're making my point!
NO ONE came to faith in God without having HEARD something about Him. Not even the Father of Faith, Abraham.
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God, but we must remember who actually gave us the Word of God;:::: God Himself. He is (((the))) source of His Word.
My Friend, it is redundancy to say the Word of God comes from God. The conjunction "of" automatically shows ownership in this phrase. If one believes that the bible is the Word of God, then they understand that God is the Author.
That's basic english, and most Pastors don't treat their congregants like they are complete idiots who don't understand simple grammatical construction.
Anyway you slice it, the author of this dialog is simpling splitting hairs.
Hebrews 12:2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, (((the author and perfecter of faith))), who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
mysistagirl, everytime I present something, you change the argument and accuse me of 'splitting hairs' or 'making your argument'. Pure nonsense.
We've moved from "The Bible", to "The Word", and now to "hearing something about Him". These are not the same concepts, and I'm not going to let you get away with that.
The Bible is A source of faith (along with other things). However the PRIMARY source of faith is God Himself (Rom 12:3, 1 Cor 12:7, et al). Creflo Dollar is STILL wrong.
No one disputes that God is the author & provider, but the vehicle HE gave us to access and increase faith is the WORD. The WORD is the tangible application for us. The source of all that we know about faith comes from the Word of God.
Creflo has made mistakes, but THIS is not one of them.
Anyway, this is my last response on this because I trust the Holy Spirit has done what HE deems appropriate here. If only one person has read this, and can see thru the minutia, then it was worth it.
mysistagirl, you have been disputing that God is the author and provider of faith all along. I showed you over and over again where Creflo Dollar was wrong in his statement "the source of faith is the Word of God", and you resisted at every turn.
This stuff you're saying now is STILL wrong. You are speaking philosophy instead of what the Bible actually teaches.
Creflo Dollar REDEFINED the meaning of faith in order to justify his own philosophy. And you fell for it. This IS NOT minutia.
I have NEVER disputed God as the author and provider of our faith. My point of contention with you has ALWAYS and ONLY been about the source for access and increase of faith. There IS a difference, and if you have perceived my responses to be refuting God as the author and provider, then you simply don't acknowledge or understand that there is a difference!
Creflo did not redefine anything. You are just arguing from a point of YOUR OWN misunderstanding!
(M)" How do I get or increase my faith, and what role does the WORD have in that?"
(S) Scripture teaches that faith is a gift from God. Eph 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, (((it is the gift of God)));
Rom 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
God gives faith through the hearing of His Word; But it is HIM who actually gives the faith. He is the author and finisher of our faith.
Right. So it is beyond me as to why anyone would have a problem with the notion that hearing the Word of God is the source by which we obtain and increase our faith.
This is the kind of splitting of hairs that is nothing more than unnecessary strife in the Body of Christ, and God's Word speaks firmly against this kind of mischief.
mysistagirl, the problem is because hearing the Word of God is not 'THE' source -- God Himself is (keep telling you that). 'Source' means where something ORIGINATES. The biblical definition of 'faith' is trust and confidence IN God. So by definition, God is THE source of faith. Also, faith is not possible w/o the convicting work of the Holy Spirit on man's heart/conscience (Jn 16).
This IS NOT hair splitting. It is basic Christian doctrine that people are attempting to pervert.
source noun 1. any thing or place from which something comes, arises, or is obtained; origin: Which foods are sources of calcium? 2. the beginning or place of origin of a stream or river. 3. a book, statement, person, etc., supplying information. 8. to find or acquire
Fact: Faith "comes, arises, or is obtained" from the Word of God. Fact: The Word of God is "a book or statements supplying information" about faith. Fact: We "find or acquire" faith from the Word of God.
Who ever said to PRAY to the law or bible for faith?
Creflo's sermon was not about who is the author or giver of faith. It was about how we access and increase faith. That is what Creflo was teaching on. And God Himself declared that the vehicle by which we accomplish that is by hearing His Word.
This is a simplistic truth, and you all are engaging in nonsensical combat in an attempt to look spiritually deep.
Like I said, Creflo has made mistakes, but THIS is not one of them.
If the Word of God is the source of faith then youd pray to the Word of God for faith.
The truth is....God is the source of faith, and Christians pray to HIM for faith.
He is the source.... If were going to be Biblical, we all know that faith comes from God. His Word is the vehicle or the means of how HE gives faith... But ultimately He is the One who gives the faith.... He is the source.
Technically speaking, you DO pray to the Word of GOD, for JESUS was declared literally the WORD of GOD that became flesh in John 1:1 and in Revelations 19:13. It was the Disciples that said "LORD, increase our faith"
Dollar's sermon WAS NOT about "accessing and increasing faith". It was about REDEFINING the meaning of faith. He was trying to prove that "faith equals the Word of God" (he even went on to substitute the word "faith" in Heb 11 with "the Word of God").
Well, Creflo is WRONG. Faith IS NOT 'equal' to 'the Word of God' (two different concepts). Also, there's no such thing in scripture as "accessing" faith. Faith IS NOT some force you "tap into".
NYTN I think you should do a bible study of the definition of biblical faith and present it on your site. I am interested in hearing because this video is not enough to learn anything.
I've been thinking about that, sir, and I will most certainly do that. But first, I'm going to see if someone has already done something on it. Thanks!
Yes he did you are soooo wrong The word is God's word all he did was quote the word you can not seperate God from his word neither can you limit God to 66 book's.People of the world all day they say they believe in God or have God.You have NO point here you make sure the devil is not use-n you.(Is it that you want a churh like his?
MrsRKP7, you seem to be in love with Creflo Dollar. Is it suits? Is it his cool walk, or his Rolls? It has to be one of these things, because he doesn't really have much else going on in the "sound doctrine" department.
Yes; Creflo Dollar "quoted the Word". He sure did. But then he REDEFINES the Word to a different meaning, and then he CHANGES the Word by inserting his OWN meaning instead of BIBLICAL meaning.
WE STAND for OUR LORD & SAVIOR not satan LIES, Cref claim to be of GOD then there should be NO FLAWS in his preaching anoited with the HOLY SPIRIT
John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."
1 Cor 2:15 spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
1 Cor 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?
mysistagirl is actually right. It's not a bad thing that it leads back to the word. We have to be reminded that faith cometh by hearing, hearing by the word of God......The word says that
joegrizzly90, I would encourage you and mysistagirl to go back and study Romans 9, 10, AND 11. Then you will see how you are quoting Rom 10:17 OUT OF CONTEXT.
Here's something that's very important: When you read the verses afterwards, you will see that Paul is arguing that ISRAEL HAD THE WORD PREACHED TO THEM ALL ALONG, BUT THEY CONTINUALLY REJECTED GOD. So if it is the rule that 'faith comes by hearing the Word of God', then how come Israel wasn't saved long ago?
For ((by Him)) all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created (((by Him))) and for Him.
He is before all things, and (((in Him all things hold together))).
God is the source of our faith, and He is the object of our faith.
lcdove318, first of all, do not address me as "dude". That is so "80's".
If you can provide one example of me bashing anyone, I'll gladly pay you $1,000 cash. I'll also PUBLICLY repent and apologize to you and the teacher.
Apparently, you are unable to make a distinction between the person himself and what that person TEACHES. That is the focus here -- not "bashing", sir/madam.
It has been an experience of mine, especially in Georgia, that I keep running into people who call themselves Christians; but they are deluded into following the same heresies promoted by tv preachers and "Word-faith" teachers.
Many of them have no handle of how to proclaim the gospel accurately.
John said: In the begining there was the word, and the word was with GOD and the word was GOD!
Therefore when he said "Source of faith is the word of GOD" and You said "Source of faith is GOD" you are all saying the truth. Stop twisting things, read the BIBLE and UNDERSTAND it before you make assumptions.
PastorJayJay, I don't care WHAT you say -- the Word of God IS NOT God. What you're saying is NEW AGE thinking, and such a concept is found NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE.
And you have the AUDACITY to accuse me of 'twisting', when Dollar REDEFINES the meaning of faith and then on top of that REPLACES THE VERY WORDS OF SCRIPTURE (namely the word 'faith' in Heb 11) with his NEW DEFINITION. And you say nothing! Amazing!
If the Word of God is God, then in Jer 1:12 is God watching over Himself?
PastorJayJay, I'm not offended. However, when a personal accusation is made, I sometimes challenge it.
Now I'm not a world-class theologian, but I know sound thinking and doctrine when I see/hear it. And I know that JOHN 1 HAS NOTHING TO DO with what Creflo Dollar actually said.
'The Word' in the context Creflo Dollar used it, is THE BIBLE -- NOT the person of Christ (per John 1). In fact, he said 'The Word of God' EQUALS 'faith'. So which is it? Is The Word of God 'faith' or 'God'?
John 1:1 is not talking about GOD the FATHER, but GOD the Son, the Son of GOD. JESUS was referred to as the "Logos", the "Word made flesh". In 2nd Samuel 7:12-14, GOD was not talking about Solomon, but prophetically talking about JESUS. So YES, HE did watch over HIS Son that His Son would perform HIS will. The Son was always in submission to the FATHER, and even in the end of time will give the Kingdom back over to the FATHER and serve Him humbly according to 1st Corinthians 15:20-28
streets2apostle, please stop trying to help Creflo Dollar out. He's WRONG and you should just admit that.
Creflo Dollar was talking about THE BIBLE when he said "The Word of God" in that sermon -- NOT Jesus Christ. He replaced "faith" in Hebrews 11 with "The Word of God". You heard him say, "The Word of God is the substance of things hope for, and The Word of God is the evidence of things not seen..."
i watch him 1 time, the first 15 min he preached a faulty message, and the last 15 min he beged for your dollars, so his last name is right DOLLAR, on the day of the white thron jugment he will get his dollars, and pay for ever sole lied to.
I don't know who Tahar is, and I don't know if Creflo Dollar is 'the devil'. But I DO know that he teaches erroneous doctrine regarding faith, prosperity, the nature of God, the nature of Christ, and other things. Many of the things he teaches comes from New Age and eastern religions.
Wow.Dude.What you have done is almost criminal. You play the sermon for a few seconds, them comment. Your total running time is 10 minutes on a message that may have been an hour or more. So it seems that you are taking his sermon out of context huh. The sad part for me is that you really believe in what you are doing. You kind of remind be of the Apostle Paul before the road to Damascus. He believed he was right in killing christians. Maybe Jesus will visit you like he did Paul. Matthew 25:40
inctown2009, you appear to be a quite uninformed or inattentive person. I will explain: a) The length of Dollar's sermon is IRRELEVANT, as the presented portions of his sermons clearly expressed in context, a complete idea. b) As previously stated, any sermon I comment on is reviewed in it's entirey AT LEAST 5 TIMES, so that there is NO MISTAKING what is meant. c) I always give people the information to go and listen/read for themselves. d) You have YET to address or defend what Dollar said.
inctown2009, I might also add YOU MISSED AN IMPORTANT POINT made by this video. And it is this: What Creflo Dollar says after the first 5-10 minutes of the sermon is LARGELY IRRELEVANT.
Why? Because his entire sermon is based on an erroneous definition of "living by faith", which he gave at the beginning.
"If the foundation is faulty, the entire system is faulty." THAT was the point made abundantly clear here.
In your first clip it does not appear that he is defining faith. he references 4 passages that say the just shall live by faith Habakkuk2:4,Romans1:17, Galatians3:11,Hebrews10:38. It seems to me that he is making his point in a very prudent manner. 2Cor13:1 says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.I agree with his point. Heb11:6 says that without faith it is impossible to please God. Not a definition of Faith but an illustrated point of living by faith.
You made a few statements: that Faith is trust in, confidence & loyalty to jesus christ. Not incorrect, but incomplete. You left off acting on God's word. Faith without works is dead being alone(James 2:17) when you hear the word of God(Rom 10:17) the entrance of the word of God gives light and understanding(Psalm 119:130)Faith is believing & acting on God's word.This is a product of faith that was produced by hearing God's word. Abraham heard,received & obeyed God's word.
inctown2009, "loyalty" means "willingness to obey". "Faith" in God by definition includes the idea that one is willing to obey God's commands.
That is why I SPECIFICALLY said "trust in, confidence, AND loyalty"; so that no one could misunderstand me to be saying "faith" is just "believing" something is true.
inctown2009, perhaps YOU are the one who should listen to the entire sermon before commenting.
The purpose of him reading those scriptures was indeed to "establish" the meaning of the word "living by faith". By extension, he is also defining the meaning of the word "faith", since it is part of the phrase "live by faith".
But that's not the problem. The problem is the definitiong he gave ("a proscription"; "this is the way we live") IS NOT the meaning of the verses he quoted.
You also disagreed with him when he said that faith is the word of God. You said the source of faith is not the word of God but that the source of faith is God. That is a contradiction in terms if you belive that the bible is the word of God(2 Timothy 3:16) and that God can not lie(Titus 1:2) It is not possib to receive someones word and they be totally different unless they are a liar. So in order to get God, you have to get his word. If you get his word you are led to Him and get Him.
inctown2009, it is not a matter of me disagreeing with Dollar. Rather, it is the BIBLE that disagrees with him.
The source of "faith" IS NOT the Bible. The Bible consistently teaches the ultimate source of "faith" is God. God gives to every man the measure of faith. And one's trust is not merely in what God says, but that He is able to perform it (which speaks of His character or who He is).
As stated previously there are people in scripture who "got God" who NEVER heard His word.
Wow. Please inlighten me. Who got God without his word. Let me point out I am not limiting Gods word to a pleather bible. Abraham did not have a bible, but he heard God's voice. Heb 11 lists people of extraordinary faith. They all heard God voice or received his or word/will in some manner. Who in the Bible got to God without this word/voice spoken or written???????
Finally, in you own clip at about 8:57. He clearly states that he is going to give them 'steps of definitions' until they get any understanding of what it means to live by faith. So once again, since your video stop here and does not include rest of his message you are the one taking the message out of context. You should change your heading to A LESSON IN OUT OF CONTEXT CRITICING WITH NOTYOURTYPICALNEGRA. I have enjoyed dialoging with you. Let God's word be Final.
inctown2009, I'm not going to argue with you all day over something that is very clear, so this will be my last comment:
a) To answer your question about who "got to God" w/o the Word or His spoken voice, you can start with Rahab in Joshua 2.
b) Hearing his entire message is IRRELEVANT, because he already defined (or rather mis-defined) the meaning of 'living by faith' from the beginning. So anything else he says about it will be wrong.
Well you are entitled to your opinion. I just do not agree with you and I have provided you with plenty of chapter and verse, in context, to support it.
As far as Rahab, she did not get to God she got to the children of Israel. We do know that she is in the geneology of Jesus. And looking at other people groups in the scripture who where were not hebrew born but desired to live among the children of israel, the men were required to receive circumcision and live according to the law. It is safe to assume that Rahab and her family did the same.
a) You say I'm "entitled to my opinion", but this is not about "opinion". It's about Creflo Dollar teaching something DIRECTLY OPPOSITE of what the Bible repeatedly teaches. I don't know what more can be done to convince you. b) HEBREWS 11 says "By FAITH the prostitute RAHAB, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient." QUESTION: "By faith" in WHOM? Why is she mentioned in James 2?
I do agree with your previous posts, I do not want to keep going back and for on this either. But I do love to talk about God's word because it irrefutalbe. To answer your question first questio'n about Rahab of faith in whom from Heb 11:31 you have to go back to Josua 1:1-21. In verse 9 she tell the spies "I know that the LORD hath given you the land'. Notice she did not just say I have heard about all the victories you have been getting, She said she know that God has given them the land....
As I am sure you are aware God promised Abraham that he was going to give his seed that land. She was speaking God's word that she received and was acting on by hiding them & it saved her family. You can not separate God from His word. Rom10:17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God John 1. In the beginning was the word and the was with God and the word was God. To answer your second question where Rahab was mentioned in James.That subject is righteousness by works or by faith.
Some do challange it, i tried to find scripture to support the prosperity gospel theachings but instead found things like Matthew 7, 1Timothy 6, 2 Timothy3, James 2, Luke 16:25 just to mention a few...Psalm 73 and I thank the Most High daily for His Grace! 9 Their mouths lay claim to heaven, and their tongues take possession of the earth.
Maybe you don't understand what he is preaching. Maybe you need to dig a lil deeper. Open your mind & maybe you can get it! Creflo is a man of God! He is a powerful man of God. Only God is perfect, we are humans & make mistakes. Only God can judge. If you are going to talk about something, just preach the word & stop trying to use others. What makes your definition correct??? Hmmm....
Mellicious28, I'm a little tired of people saying I don't "understand" what he's preaching, and that he's "too deep". With all due respect, that is a CROCK.
I've been listening to Creflo Dollar for for 15+ years in person, on radio, and on tv. This is NOT the first time he (or Hagin, Copeland, Price, Munroe, etc.) preached this, so I am VERY CLEAR as to what he means -- much clearer than you.
Whether he is a "man of God" is IRRELEVANT, madam. The ISSUE is what he TEACHES.
Because I don't want to keep up with comments on 3 different videos. Also, I wanted to make sure people watch all the videos and be fully informed before they comment.
1) It was not the purpose of the video to "rip" Creflo a "new one". Rather, it was to show how he (and others) construct their elaborate doctrines on a faulty foundation.
2) I NEVER said the Word of God was not a 'source' for Christians. I have REPEATEDLY said it is. However, it is not the ULTIMATE source of the Christian believer's faith. Rather, it is The Lord God Himself (as the scriptures clearly teach).
Sorry you don't like my terms.. It is my Job to rip these False Teachers New ones, though you may prefer calling it EXPOSING them. Same thing, Different term.
The problem with your second statement is this. if the Word of God and God are the same thing, How can his word just be A SOURCE. It is THE SOURCE. There is no way around John 1:1 Unless this is a GROSS mistranslation... If that is the case, then this all falls flat.
bgiles117, I'm puzzled as to how you don't understand The Bible (The Word of God) is a BOOK and Jesus (The Word in John 1:1) is a PERSON. A book IS NOT a person, and a person IS NOT a book.
Look, it's very simple. Just ask yourself this question: Before The Law (Word of God) was given to the Israel, what was the source of man's faith?
The answer is very simple. It was God Himself. That answer does not change now that we have the Bible.
bgiles117, you are correct. I do INDEED like the phrase 'CLEARLY STATE', because I wish to point people's attention to what is WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURES, rather than on what I say or think.
I PURPOSELY say that phrase, so thank you for pointing that out.
Guess you missed my point. Clearly Stated is not always clear. In your case.
You toss out scripture you say is clear (To You) yet you expect me to be of the mind you have. That cant be so unless I know your Mind. Just tossing out a scripture is of no merit.
And for one who believes the Bible is NOT the final authority for a believer, then why keep tossing out these non-final scriptures..... Without clarification....
bgiles117, when I say something is 'clear', I demonstrate it. I don't expect that something is 'clear' just because I say so.
But that is neither here nor there. Anyone is welcome to disagree with me, and if I have not shown something to be 'clear', I'll be happy to do what I can to make it so.
If a Person's "Word Level" is Low, his Faith Level is LOW.
... Plain and Simple. David wrote.. Thy Word have I Hid in Mine Heart that I might not sin against thee.... If the word is HID, your "word Level" is High...
YHWH told Joshua to "Mediate this Book of the Law Day and Night that he may Observe (Exercise Faith in) to do it."
Cref got that right. He didn't miss that one.... I am in your corner thats why I am dropping these things. Slice him up in other areas... He is a RICH target!!!!!
As for your "Word level low, faith level low" response, those scriptures have NOTHING TO DO with what Creflo Dollar said.
You and I are not the determiner of one's level of faith. Rather, it is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who does this (and will do this in the Day of Judgment).
If Creflo were correct, then that means all theologians have more faith in God than you and I. Does that not sound RIDICULOUS?
Explain yourself please. Theologians do not Study the WORD of God. The Study the Bible as a Document. Big Difference. They don't study to KNOW God or Develop Faith in the Father. They do so to Show their "Intellectualism(s)"
The Bible made it Plain... Faith Comes by HEARING the Word of God. If you dont HEAR it ( and I mean "he that hath ears to hear" - Hearing) You will not develop Faith in YHWH.
bgiles117, how do you know what all theologians do?
What you're saying is just plain WRONG. I know SEVERAL theologians PERSONALLY who are not only scholars, but Holy Spirit filled preachers who believe the Bible is God's word and have dedicated their lives to defending and preaching its truths.
You are out of line by attempting to judge the "faith level" of people you don't know.
At 7:22, you botch your argument. The Source of Faith is his Word. How can you have faith in a God you don't Hear anything about.
When YHWH talked to ADAM in the Cool of the Day, it was HIS WORDS that Adam heard. Now his word is WRITTEN DOWN for us to "develop" our Faith in YHWH..... Don't miss that Boat my friend.... How can we Try the Spirits and see if they Be of YHWH if we DONT KNOW HIS WORD... WHICH IS WRITTEN so that we MAY Know!
Tighten up the argument my friend... I am in your corner.
bgiles117, according to the scriptures you AND Creflo are WRONG. The source of faith is God Himself.
As I said in the video, it is NOT ENOUGH that God says something. Rather, it is -- as Romans 4:21 says -- His ability to PERFORM what He promises (which speaks to His nature and character).
As for your question, 'How can you have faith in a God you don't Hear anything about?', that has nothing to do with what Creflo Dollar said.
Detail these scriptures for me. I dont know you well enough to know what you teach, but Please detail where I err.. Not just one passage. Give me comprehensive understanding. And refute what i did say. My Issue is not JUST Creflo, I was responding to YOUR response to him. Is this not what we are here for. Come Let us reason together. The Understood subject is that God will perform it. His ability is Solid wether we believe it or not. Thats not the question and Creflo Didnt speak against that.
bgiles117, you asked me to detail some scriptures.
The Bible teaches that faith originates from God/The Holy Spirit (Rom 12:3, 1 Cor 12:7, Rom 1:5; 15:15; 1 Cor 3:10; 15:10; Gal 2:9; Eph 3:7).
Once again, I never said The Word of God was not a source of man's faith in God (it is).
However, THE source of faith (as in the ULTIMATE source) is The Lord God Himself. This is not hair splitting; it is a MAJOR point that must be understood.
At 7:48 you commentted that Faith in God (or what he has promised...) Well, if we dont have his WORDS how can we know his Promises to have faith in them....
THE WORD of YHWH, is YHWH.
No Word, No Faith, No Understanding... THE WORD OF GOD is ESSENTIAL!!!!!
Romans 10:8 (KJV) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
As for your question, "Well, if we dont have his WORDS how can we know his Promises to have faith in them....", I have already addressed this.
There are a number of examples in scripture where people NEVER heard the Word of God (never heard Him speaking personally, never heard the Law, and/or never had the gospel preached to them). Yet, they were justified by their faith in God.
One such person is RAHAB (Joshua 2, Heb 11, Jam 2).
bgiles117, now you're getting philosophical. We have moved from "The Word of God" being the Bible, to "The Word of God" being what God says, and now to "The Word of God" being ANY discussion one hears about God. Can you stick with a definition please?
I say again: Rahab never heard gOD speaking personally, never heard the Law, and/or never had the gospel preached to her. That simply cannot be disputed.
Her faith was not in "The Word of God", but in God Himself.
Never got a chance to reply to this due to comments being TEMPORARILY closed, however, I'll conclude....
The Word of God and God's Word are all speaking to the same thing... It is God. His Words are him. His Words Define him. His Actions Secure his words.
He is not separate from what he speaks. He is not separate from what those Holy Spirit inspired men wrote of him. All of this discloses who he is and his character to us. That is not philosophical. That is Reality.
Whether we hear form him directly or hear his words through a secondary source, We are STILL hearing the WORD(s) of God. RAHAB HEARD the word of God. SHe HEARD the WORKS of God. How else would she be able to say "I know that YHWH hath given you the land..." Except that she HEARD.
Wether directly or indirectly she Heard the WORD of God and Believed.... She put Action behind it... Hence the scarlet thread which was Faith in what she heard in action which saved her life!!!!
bgiles117, your respect for God's Word is commendable. However, you seem to be making the mistake of taking scriptures and trying to force meanings into them that simply aren't there. I'll explain.
You are here trying to apply Rom 10:17, which CLEARLY says faith comes by 'hearing' the PREACHED WORD concerning Christ.
Well, Rahab heard NO SUCH THING. So you can't apply that verse to her. Rom 10 applies to ISRAEL, who for centurieds IGNORED the Word preached to them.
Now who is reaching.... Where is IT CLEARLY STATED that Romans 10:17 is speaking of the PREACHED WORD concerning Christ????
Be a Wise Man (he who winneth souls) and CLEARLY, DELIBERATELY break that down for me. In all my years of reading this passage, exegeting this passage, I have NEVER found what you state.
Even now AGAIN, with your perspective, I DO NOT see your allegation.
....Rahab Did hear of God (YHWH)..... the floor is yours.
bgiles117, it is CLEAR that Rom 10:17 refers to the PREACHED WORD concerning Christ for two reasons:
1) Those very words appear in a number of translations (see link I emailed you), and;
2) Romans 9, 10, AND 11 address Israel's unbelief, and their REJECTION of the preached word concerning Christ. Hence Paul's statements: "However, they did not all heed the good news..." (Rom 10:16) AND "But I ask, have they not heard? Yes, they have!" (Rom 10:18).
bgiles117: a) My name is not "pal". You may address me as "Kevin", "NYTN", or "sir". b) You obstinance is now apparent. You know very well that the "word of God" in ver 17 preached to Israel (per verse 18) is the SAME WORD Paul said he (we) preached.
What was the "word of faith " preached? It was this:
'That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.'
7:57 - Your statement here can lead one to misunderstanding...
God Will perform what he says. There is no Doubt. And faith in His Word is Faith in Him....
Isaiah 55:11 (KJV) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
No Word, No Faith. What Do people believe, your experience or His word??? The Sower Sows the word....
Yes it is a Slogan, however the SCRIPTURE supports the SLOGAN.
How do you develop faith in YHWH without hearing the words of YHWH. Back to your RAHAB example. How did she KNOW that YHWH gave Israel the Land. She heard someone at sometime State this. (The Words of YHWH)
YHWH said it. PERIOD. No matter who repeated it, it was HIS WORD!!!! And it was HEARD by Her and she BELIEVED IT....
And I am not moving away. It is still the same vein!!!!
RAHAB HEARD!!!! HEARING IS THE ISSUE. HEARING THE WORD OF GOD. The Bible is a book of STORIES.... That Are recorded. A Collection of Letters, and comprehensively it is his WORDS TO US through these Various Authors. SHE HEARD THE WORD OF YHWH!!!!
DO NOT MISS THIS!!!! Either the Bible is or it isn't!!!!!
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8:46 The Creflo Clip - You Got that right. Though I would expand and say the Just Shall live by their Unwaveringly FIRM Belief in YHWH. Hab 2:4
Gal 3:11 = Persuasion, Again... Firm Belief. Unwavering... But You Need His Word to have that Faith. I would never believe my Wife Loved me if She NEVER said so (her Words). And of course she backs it up with action.. Her words do not return to her void :)
bgiles117, you said " But You Need His Word to have that Faith. " But according to Romans 1, 2, and 3, that is not necessarily true:
Romans 2:20 - For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him..."
And how did he CREATE these things??? BY HIS WORD!!!!!
HIS WORDS!!!!! AGAIN. When a Bird Chirps... You are hearing the WORDS of God in Action.... Shall I go on... This is so Obvious... Don't miss this. You are way off my point. My Point is this. You have Cref by the Jugular. Don't pick where he got it right to fight against his lies....
bgiles117, I don't really know HOW God created all things. But I DO know it wasn't with a Bible!
Creflo Dollar said THE BIBLE is the source of man's faith. Don't try to help him out by changing what he meant. He wasn't talking about what God personally says to someone. He was talking about THE BIBLE.
Are you a True Believer or just a Deceiver exposer...
WOW!!!!
So The bible is not his word to us today??? And He is separate from his word???
If any of this is true, why are we wasting our time reading the Bible. We should do as the Bhuddist Monks... Go to the temple, sit and wait... (Tarry!!!!!) DISOBEY HIS COMMAND TO JOSHUA AND MEDIATE ON OUR IMAGINATIONS!
I'LL say it like My Big Brother said it. "oh y e of Little faith."
The Bible is how we discover his character. We read it, believe it (Faith) Put it into action (Works) and watch the manifestation of what he said in his WORD!!!!
The error is when they distort the Word of God for their own profit.
And of course there are the things he spoke (in his word) that will come to pass regardless of what we accept or reject.
Faith without WORKS (ACTION) is Dead. No action behind your Belief, means your Faith is just a thought. ... We call that Humanism... Or New Ageism....
Be Careful. You are so against him you don't hear when he leaves his lies and speaks the truth. The Sheeple will see this and Turn you off. Don't fight the truth, fight the lies. Yeshua Never fought the Pharisees on what they had right, but what they had wrong.
bgiles117, you (like many others) have taken James 2 out of context.
Romans 4:3 says that Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted to him as righteousness.
The definition of faith IS NOT mere thoughts. It is a trust, a confidence, and being fully persuaded in God and willing to obey his commands. Faith is a heart/mind matter. We as human being discern one's faith by their actions (this is what James is talking about). But God judges the HEART, THOUGHTS, and INTENTS of man.
bgiles117, you said: "No action behind your Belief, means your Faith is just a thought."
I'm telling YOU that faith (from God's perspective) has NOTHING TO DO with a person's actions. Abraham was given to us as an example for a reason. His faith was accounted to him as righteousness when God made the covenant with Abram (Gen 15:6). So then he was JUSTIFIED IN GOD'S SIGHT BEFORE HE DID ANYTHING!
9:27 you are right on.... His sermon is Based on a Faulty Foundation...
However, SATAN is soooo smooth, he intermingles the truth with the lies to deceive the Masses.
Remember these words...
2 Corinthians 11:1415 (KJV) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Excellent assesments about how the false religious system exploits believers financially and all other ways. The Apostles' Center is joining in with this thrust to expose this merchandising and help Christians recover from it. Keep up the great work.
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