Site hosted by Angelfire.com: Build your free website today!
Close Print
RE: Your Broadcast‏
From: Kevin O (@hotmail.com)
Sent: Mon 4/27/09 5:15 PM
To: questions@awmi.net; awommack@aol.com
To The Respondent:
 
1)  Please do not condescend to me, by accusing me of a "lack of understanding" simply because I do not agree with what Mr. Wommack teaches.  DO NOT insult my intelligence, sir/madam.  I understand VERY WELL what Mr. Wommack is teaching.  I am not a novice, and well-studied and discipled in the word and in ministry, have above-average intelligence, and I walk by the Spirit.
 
2)  I provide the following rebuttals:
 
  • Gen. 1:26-28, Ps. 115:16 say NOTHING about God giving "absolute control" of the Earth.  The Lord God Himself said that the Earth and everything in it is His (1 Cor 10:26; Ps 24:1; 50:12; 1 Tim 4:4).  That is a basic doctrine of the faith.  How is it that Mr. Wommack and you do not seem to know that?
 
  • It makes no difference that Mr. Wommack's comments were "in the context of God’s actions since man’s sin and not before".  Man's sin has NO BEARING on God's sovereignty, sir.  God has always done PLENTY in the Earth without any "covenants", or without man being anywhere around.
 
  • When you say that man must "agree" with God before God can accomplish any of His covenants or purposes, then you are in effect saying that man is equal to God.  You are saying that man is an "equal partner" who sits at the table with God, and is a player in making things happen for God.  That is simply ridiculous, and is easily disproven with scripture.  The account of Abraham is a prime example.  God made the promise to Abraham and no such "agreement" was required from Abraham.
 
  • Jesus never acknowledged that Satan has control of the Earth (this is simply a bold-faced prevarication).  Jesus said DURING HIS MINISTRY, "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father..." (Mat 11:27).  He was also casting out demons here on Earth.  Not only that, but Jesus said in John that He was sending a Comforter who would be working here IN THE EARTH by convicting the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment.  If Satan is in control of the Earth, then how is the Holy Spirit able to do His work?  And you have the audacity to ask me have I thought things through!
 
The remainder of what you have said is not particularly worth responding to, because doesn't really address the issue at hand.  And that is the fact that there is NO SUCH TEACHING IN SCRIPTURE that: a) God lost "absolute control" over the Earth, and b) God needed to make "agreements or covenants" with man in order to legally gain "access" to the Earth realm.
 
I'm sorry that you cannot separate between Mr. Wommack the person, and what he teaches.  I am not interested in personally attacking Mr. Wommack.  My focus is on the veracity of his teaching, and how it stands in light of the clear, consistent teaching of God's Word.
 
Regards,
 
 
 
Kevin M. O
Atlanta, GA




 

From: questions@awmi.net
To: XXX@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:49:47 -0600
Subject: RE: Your Broadcast

Kevin,

 

You simply haven’t understood what is being taught.  Your lack of understanding is no reason to attack a man of God.  Andrew is right and you are wrong.  Before you begin to attack a servant of God you need to meditate on the things we have shared with you.  You are making some pretty glaring errors in your thinking and theology.  See below.

 

Blessings,

 

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the

knowledge of God and our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:2)

 

 

Encouragement Dept.

Andrew Wommack Ministries

www.awmi.net

 

 

 

From: Kevin O [mailto:XXX@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:33 PM
To: AWM Encouragement Dept.; awommack@aol.com
Subject: RE: Your Broadcast

 

To The Respondent:
 
Thank you for your reply, wherin in you make the following statement:
 

"God has never acted alone.  That is Andrew's point."

 
The following observations are made:
 

  • Firstly, Mr. Wommack's point was very clear.  He said PLAINLY that God "turned over" His "absolute control" of the Earth to man, preventing God from doing ANYTHING in the Earth.  Well, not only is that found NOWHERE in scripture, but it is actually quite foolish when one sits down and ponders the full implications of such a statement.

 Gen. 1:26-28, Ps. 115:16     God gave the earth to man.

  • Secondly, to say that God "has never acted alone" is just FACTUALLY INCORRECT.  The Lord Himself told Job, "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."  It is quite interesting that God was able to "act alone" and get quite a bit accomplished in the Universe -- without mankind and without any "covenants".

 Andrew’s comments were in the context of God’s actions since man’s sin. Not before.  You have misunderstood.

  • Finally, man IS NOT equal to God.  God is SUPERIOR to man.  And these "covenants" you keep referencing are INITIATED by God, and ACCOMPLISHED by God by His design and foreknowledge.  This is a BASIC Christian doctrine learned in Sunday School that Mr. Wommack seems not to have a grasp upon.

Andrew has never said that man was superior to God.  We understand that God initiated the covenants, but man had to agree to them for them to go into effect.  Andrew grasps a lot more than you think.

 
The bottom line is simply this:  Mr. Wommack has NO BIBLICAL BASIS for claiming that: a) God lost "absolute control" over the Earth, and b) God needed to make "agreements or covenants" with man in order to legally gain "access" to the Earth realm.  This is anti-Christ and anti-biblical HERESY, and Mr. Wommack will have to answer for God for what he is teaching. 

 

God is a God of His Word.   Even Jesus recognized that Satan had gained control of the earth.  He refers to him as the ‘Prince of this world,’ and Paul refers to him as the ‘god of this world.’  Jesus did not refute Satan’s statement, “All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me: and to whomsoever I will I give it.” 

 

So, there is a Biblical basis for Andrew’s statements.  It is not heresy.  It is Bible.  If God could do anything He wanted to, then why did He wait 4,000 years to become a man, and why did He have to become a man in the first place?  Why didn’t He just wipe out the devil?  Why was it necessary to become a man and shed blood?  Have you stopped to think through these things?

 

I fully intend to deal with Mr. Wommack's teaching in this regard on my YouTube blog forum.

 

The accuser of the brethren already has enough people working for him.  Are you going to be another?


 
Regards,
 
 
 
Kevin M. O
http://www.youtube.com/NotYourTypicalNegro
 

 




 


From: questions@awmi.net
To: XXX@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0600
Subject: RE: Your Broadcast

Kevin,

 

All of the judgments of God in the earth from Adam to Jesus were accomplished through covenants.  There is the covenant that God made with Noah, Abraham, Israel and the New Covenant.   

 

In all of God's judgments that can be seen in the Old Testament, there is always a man that God covenants with in order to bring forth His judgment.  God has never acted alone.  That is Andrew's point. 

 

God chose Noah to build an ark by which he (Noah) condemned the earth.

 

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

 

Had Noah not obeyed, then another would have had to be found (if such a one existed).  But Noah found grace (not justice) in the sight of God (Gen. 6:8) and that grace strengthened him for the task of building the ark.

 

Something similar can be seen in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.  Abraham became the intercessor for those two cities, and through Abraham God was able to either save or destroy them.  As there were not found enough righteous within, they were destroyed.  But Abraham was the man through whom God intervened to bring judgment.

 

The judgments of God to and through Israel were because of the covenant of the Law and Israel’s promise to abide by the promises and curses made in that covenant.  Any example you can think of will fall under a covenant promise.

 

Blessings,

 

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the

knowledge of God and our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:2)

 

 

Encouragement Dept.

Andrew Wommack Ministries

www.awmi.net

 

 

 

 

 

From: Kevin O [mailto:XXX@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:04 AM
To: AWM Encouragement Dept.
Subject: RE: Your Broadcast

 

To The Sender (who almost certainly isn't Mr. Wommack himself):
 
While reading your "cut and paste" response, I was halted by this first sentence of the 8th paragraph:
 

"For God to now intervene in the course of the world, he would have to make agreements or covenants with men."

 
Pausing at this statement, I made the following observations:
 

  • This claim is presuppositional -- in that you are simply claiming that it is true, instead of proving from the scriptures that such is true.  You expect us to believe that "agreements or covenants with men were necessary to allow God to intervene" in the world", SIMPLY because you (or Mr. Wommack) say so.

 

  • NOWHERE IN SCRIPTURE does it state or imply that "agreements or covenants with men" were necessary to allow God to "intervene" in the world.

 

  • Being a student, I know of hundreds of examples in scripture where God did in the Earth what He wanted to do, when He wanted to do it, and how He wanted to do it -- with no consultantation, approval, covenant, or agreement with man.  And if even ONE example can be found in scripture, then the basic reasoning dictates that the notion presented by Mr. Wommack is completely disproven.

 
So then, there is no need to consider anything further after this statement, because it is all based on the faulty foundation established by this error.
 
I would encourage Mr. Wommack to clarify this matter in future teaching.  Otherwise, if he cannot prove from scripture that God required "agreements or covenants with men" before he could doing anything in the Earth, then he should stop teaching this nonsense.
 
Regards,
 
 
Kevin M. O
http://www.youtube.com/NotYourTypicalNegro

 



 


From: questions@awmi.net
To: XXX@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:32:41 -0600
Subject: RE: Your Broadcast

Kevin,

 

Thank you for writing.

 

The subject of God's sovereignty can be confusing for some.  The problem begins with the definition of 'sovereign.'  A dictionary definition includes the words; supreme, superlative in quality, undisputed ascendancy, unlimited, enjoying autonomy, freedom from external control.  There is no implication of active control over all events.

 

We understand God's sovereignty to mean that God, not man, is responsible for creating and sustaining all things, and that God had the privilege of establishing the laws and boundaries of his creation.  However, once created and established, God Himself is bound to what His word has decreed.  This is where many are confused. 

 

Some see God as capricious and without rules of conduct.  They see Him as acting according to whims, intervening when it pleases Him and ignoring situations in which He is not interested.  We disagree.

 

In order to understand how God's sovereignty affects His creation we must return to the beginning.  In Genesis we see that God created all things by His Word.  He established order and boundaries.  All living things were given the ability to reproduce, but only after their 'kind.'  Pine trees will always produce pine trees and dogs will only produce dogs.  Though God is 'sovereign,' He will not change the order that He has established.  To do so would disqualify Him as God, since His Word would not be immutable.

 

When God created man, He created him in His own image.  This means that man had God's ability and capacity.  He was able to think God's thoughts, feel God's emotions, speak God's words and do God's works.

 

Man was created with God's identity (image), endued with His authority (dominion), blessed with His ability (blessing) and commissioned with His work (purpose) to subdue the earth and be fruitful and multiply. (Gen. 1:26-28)

 

Psalm 115:16 declares that God gave the earth to the children of men.  His plan was for man to derive his life from God and to accomplish His purpose in harmony with God.  However, man sinned.  That sin effectively 'unplugged' man from God.  He lost his identity, his authority, his blessing and his purpose.  God now found Himself on the outside looking in, so to speak.  He had given the earth to man, and man by sin had given it to the devil (see Luke 4:5-6).  God is still the Lord and owner of His creation, but His 'tenant' had broken the lease.  The time of the lease remains in effect however.

 

For God to now intervene in the course of the world, he would have to make agreements or covenants with men.  Without going into great detail here, we can find covenants throughout the Bible which enabled God to deal with man and at times judge sin.  Blood must be shed for there to be covenant, and a system of sacrifices was employed.  The first such sacrifice is found in the Garden of Eden when God clothed Adam and Eve with the skins of animals.  Animals had to die and their blood was shed in order to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve. 

 

Does God actively control our lives, or does He actively permit events in order to 'perfect' us?  Again we will return to the beginning for some help.  Man, created in the image of God, had a free will.  It was necessary that man be able to choose because God did not want a creation of robots, but of men and women who would love Him of their own volition.  In order for that free will to exist there had to be an option for disobedience.  That option was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

 

We see that God did not intervene and stop Adam and Eve from sinning, nor did He even stop the serpent from enticing Eve.  He did not because He could not.  He had given the earth to man and told him to subdue it and guard it.  It was up to Adam to take charge, and he failed.  God did not stop him, even though He knew the horrible consequences that were being released into creation.

 

When Cain became jealous of his brother and slew him, God did not intervene.  This was the first murder, the first tragedy recorded since the fall.  Why didn't God stop this murder?  Why didn't He protect innocent and faithful Abel from a terrible death?  The fact that God didn't intervene reveals much.  God is limited by His Word.  He is not less sovereign, but His sovereignty had decreed that the earth belonged to man.  And man was cut off from the life of God.  Thus, God was bound by His Word to do nothing. 

 

As we follow this reasoning throughout the Bible, we see God establishing covenants and exhorting men to choose life and to obey in order to be blessed.  That was God's will, but man doesn't always (seldom) do what God wants.  And so man suffers.

 

In order to redeem mankind and succeed in His purpose to have a family created in His image who loved Him of their own free will, God had to find a perfect man who could defeat sin (live a sinless life), defeat the enemy and defeat death.  No man is able.  All are born with a sin nature and thus subject to sin, the devil and death.

 

Therefore, God became a man and was born sinless.  He was tempted in all ways yet without sin.  He defeated the devil in a face to face confrontation.  And He defeated death by rising again.

 

This victory of redemption now opens the way for all those who believe to once again bear His image, have His authority, receive His blessing and accomplish His purpose. 

 

The events that take place in the world and in our lives can be divided into two categories.  Those things that happen within our sphere of influence and those that happen outside of our sphere of influence.

 

We must remember certain things in order to get to a place of understanding what is what.  First, all men continue to have a free will.  That includes sinners.  Men are free to choose, to obey or disobey, and to live according to the flesh if they like.  Those choices, while not the will of God, can and do affect those around them.  Men can choose to lie, to steal, to kill to drink and drive, to abuse their spouses, etc.  None of these things are what God would want, nor does God need them to accomplish His purposes.  They weren't needed in the beginning before sin and they aren't needed now.  Nevertheless, evil people exist and those around them suffer.

 

Secondly, we live in a world that is still under the influence of the devil.  Paul declares him the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) and Jesus said that he comes to steal, kill and destroy Jn. 10:10).  John proclaimed that the entire world lies under his influence (1 John 5:19).  This kingdom of darkness is not God's will either, and yet it exists.  Those who receive His redemption by faith are translated out of the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of God (Col. 1:13).  They are enabled to live by faith and walk in abundant life if they so choose.

 

Thirdly, we must understand that the planet itself has been subjected to corruption (Rom. 8:20).  At the flood of Noah the planet was shaken to its core as the depths were broken up and the continents were divided.  Tremendous change took place that left the planet unstable and dramatically different from its original state.  Now there exist earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts, floods and fires that bring death and destruction to millions.  These do not represent the will of God.  He does not send them, He does not need them and He does not use them.  They bring death and destruction, not life and peace.

 

The free will of evil men, the rule of Satan and the instability of the planet are all things that are outside of our normal sphere of influence.  These things will happen though God is not involved.  Suffering and death is not God's will.  He has commissioned us to go into all world and preach the gospel of His love.  It makes no sense for God to be killing the very people we are to reach.

 

Within our sphere of influence we do have authority and we can have dominion.  First, we have authority over our own minds.  We can tear down every stronghold and thought that goes against the Word of God (2 Cor. 10:5).  We are responsible for renewing our minds (Rom. 12:2) that we might know the will of God which is good, acceptable and perfect.

 

We have authority over sickness and disease.  We are endued with power from on high and commanded to heal the sick.  We can speak to the elements and rebuke them as Jesus did the storm.  He didn't rebuke all storms that night, just the one that was affecting Him at the time.  We can do the same.  We have authority to pray that God raise up laborers to send into the harvest to reach our loved ones with the Word of God.

 

We have the capacity to marry wisely and raise our children in the admonition of the Lord.  We have Biblical principles concerning how to handle our finances and how to release the power of giving and receiving in our lives.

 

We even have been given authority over the enemy if he appears.  We can submit ourselves to God resist the devil and he will flee.

 

We cannot determine what will come our way, but we can determine how we are going to react to it.  Our storms of life may be different from yours, but we are all enabled by God to overcome and walk in victory.  We cannot claim that our failures are really just God dealing with us.  That would be unfair to God.  He has equipped us with His Name, His Spirit, His Word, His armor, His New Covenant, His promises, the keys of the kingdom, and  the authority to bind and loose.  If we fail it is not His fault.  "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." (Hosea 4:6)

 

So, does God allow things in our lives?  The answer is, God has equipped us to live victoriously in this life no matter what may come our way.  We determine our level of success.  We see this in the parable of the two men, the two houses and the two foundations (Matt. 7:24-27).  The storm wasn't God's will and the destruction of one man's house (his life) wasn't God's will.  God's will is that we be doers of the Word so that we might respond in faith when trials and temptations come our way.  He wants to deliver us and prosper us.  But that deliverance and prosperity depend on us, not God.  He only intervenes where there is faith.

 

We hope this helps you.  Please feel free to write with more questions if you have them.

 

Blessings,

 

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the

knowledge of God and our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:2)

 

 

Encouragement Dept.

Andrew Wommack Ministries

www.awmi.net

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/27/2009 4:19:30 AM Mountain Daylight Time, XXX@hotmail.com writes:

Mr. Wommack:
I'm sitting here watching your broadcast where you are saying God "no longer has absolute control" over the Earth, but that He "turned over" that authority to mankind.  Further, you said certain things had to be "prophecied by man" before the physical body of Jesus Christ to be created.
Well, not one word of anything you said in this regard is found ANYWHERE in scripture.  And frankly, it borders on being comedy. You, sir, are nothing short of a heretic.  Do you not realize that if God does not have "absolute control" over the Earth, that he does not have "absolute control" over man?
Creflo Dollar teaches this same foolishness.  I wish you all would stop misleading people with this nonsense.  As long as you have been preaching, you should know better.
Good day,


Kevin M. O aka YouTube's NYTN


 

 


Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. Check it out. =

 


Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

 


Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

 


Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. Check it out.

 


Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry Check it out.



Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. Check it out.